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Div · Jul 08, 2008, 10:13 AM // 10:13

Though these can be good ideas, all I have to say is too little too late.

If you really want to avoid title grind, then this title can only be for monthlies. Because let's face it, if the dAT title has been around since the start of ATs, RIP would be rank 10 and dR would only be like rank 3 (well, I'd probably be rank 12 since I played for RIP too ~.~) Why? Because RIP's won at least 5 ATs a week when they played (and participated in 10 a week), and dR barely does 3 ATs a week.

Then again, there's no reason to add another title for mATs, since if you want to get into a good guild, they'd be looking at your guild histories, and not a silly title. The only thing it'd do is boost my epeen and give me more reason to make fun of lemming.

I'd be all for AB titles if it wasn't such an unorganized scrubfest that shares a title with botters.

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Originally Posted by lutz

(you lose 1 point if you have more than 3 monks on your team during a match)

I had a chuckle. Do I get bonus points if we run 3 split eles?

RotteN · Jul 08, 2008, 10:17 AM // 10:17

stupid idea, we don't realy need even more useless titles.

Newsflash : no title will ever "matter" or "be real". Get over it.

Guna · Jul 08, 2008, 10:19 AM // 10:19

/NOTSIGNED

i dont do pvp that much but still im r3 glad. when i started RA/TA i was a complete noob
i know ive grinded a lot but ive gain experience. its not fair to say that ppl like me dont deserve credit! we started as noobs but walked our way trough. doesnt matter what you say!!! someone who has a pvp rank is experienced

this tread should be close.....

Tyla · Jul 08, 2008, 10:39 AM // 10:39

^
I've seen tons of people with many different PvP titles. They were bad at the game still. Titles mean shit.

No title can equate to people viewing your playstyle for themselves and knowing you're decent.

Baku_The_Killer · Jul 08, 2008, 12:28 PM // 12:28

Kurzick/Luxon - this isn't a PvP title. Alliance Battles can't be considered PvP.

PvP = Player Versus Player.

When you do Alliance Battles,you're a player,right? And what you kill? Mursaat? Raptors? Smites? Eh...no,I think not. You kill other players...that's why it's called 'Player Versus Player'.

Don't understand why you don't considerate that PvP...

If you go to Random Arenas and you don't fight...you're not doing PvP,so? Becouse you don't 'versus' no one? rofl...

IGN:Baku The Killer.

RiKio · Jul 08, 2008, 12:48 PM // 12:48

Don´t add more titles. If you introduce more titles to the game, there will be more Rank Discrimination, completely shattering your idea of a fair PvP.

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Originally Posted by Baku_The_Killer

Kurzick/Luxon - this isn't a PvP title. Alliance Battles can't be considered PvP.

PvP = Player Versus Player.

When you do Alliance Battles,you're a player,right? And what you kill? Mursaat? Raptors? Smites? Eh...no,I think not. You kill to other players...that's why it's called 'Player Versus Player'.

Don't understand why you don't considerate that PvP...

If you go to Random Arenas and you don't fight...you're not doing PvP,so? Becouse you don't 'versus' no one? rofl...

IGN:Baku The Killer.

Querido Baku, creo que el OP no considera 12 como PvP debido a la falta de comunicación entre los miembros del equipo y entre que muchos PvEros participan en el con builds PvEras. Yo hasta he llegado a ver Ursans en mi equipo.

Además, hay que tener en cuenta el título de 12 puede obtenerse haciendo HFFF, destruyendo todo significado PvPero.

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If you go to Random Arenas and you don't fight...you're not doing PvP,so? Becouse you don't 'versus' no one? rofl...

Exacto. No haces PvP, simplemente haces el Leecher, ganándote un report.

Pequeña nota: No se dice ``You kill to other players´´, se dice ``You kill other players.

Side note: Zomgtastic, I didn´t expect to write in Spanish on an Inter Forum.

Krill · Jul 08, 2008, 03:26 PM // 15:26

The only PvP title that matters is your fun meter, if you're grinding out shit not having fun for a title u fail anyway. You could probably formulate a better system for quantifying skill into a title but it would only be a matter of time before that title also had ill effects on the game. I know that the glad title has turned TA into the same jokefest HA is, do you really want to ruin more stuff with a lousy title?

MithranArkanere · Jul 08, 2008, 05:51 PM // 17:51

Oh... interesting... a 'give me a title for what I like to do' title... hm...

No.

Abedeus · Jul 08, 2008, 06:22 PM // 18:22

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Originally Posted by RiKio

Meh

What he said. Of course, there could be a hidden message, because I understood only 90% of that... But it's not that hard.

In general - 12 players with pve builds vs 12 players with vs builds = 12 vs 12 pve vs pve.

deathwearer · Jul 08, 2008, 09:24 PM // 21:24

All title require time to gather yes. Don't like it don't farm it. Whatever what, you cannot say that for the time your did farm them that you didn't improve at all, therefor they still have their meaning.

AB is PvP.

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Originally Posted by lutz

(you lose 1 point if you have more than 3 monks on your team during a match)"

This one was the worst part of the idea. A part of Guild Wars is to make builds. If something require balance, that's another story.

Zahr Dalsk · Jul 08, 2008, 09:48 PM // 21:48

I feel that rather than adding titles, ArenaNet should be removing titles. They're a grind-linked feature in a game that was supposed to do away with grind.

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Originally Posted by lutz

Because you spend more time killing NPCs than actual players

Takes a second or two to kill NPCs. Takes notably longer on humans. Definitely more player combat than NPC.

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Originally Posted by lutz

and you are paired randomly with players you cannot cooperate with

So is RA, but that's considered PvP. And in AB you can also join up with guild members for a degree of control.

N1ghtstalker · Jul 08, 2008, 09:51 PM // 21:51

just what we needed
even more rank discrimination
that's really gonna boost pvp
/notsigned

lutz · Jul 08, 2008, 10:41 PM // 22:41

Unfortunately, the main problem I see with Guild Wars Guru, now, is that whenever any post related to PvP is made, everyone without experience in the field decides to post their uninformed and incorrect opinion. Yes, your opinions are all incorrect because really, you are all slightly retarded for basically saying the same thing over and over again: "I don't like X title because it doesn't benefit me, and I don't have a chance at getting it. Therefore, I should be wholeheartedly against the idea even though I have no idea what I'm talking about." I don't comment often about PvE ideas because I don't play PvE much (except to get my GWAMM) and I don't know much about PvE. Unfortunately, not knowing much about the subject is not stopping many of you from commenting. Divine is probably the only person who said anything worthwhile.

So, first of all, I'd like to point out some things in this post that made me chuckle.

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Originally Posted by deathwearer

This one was the worst part of the idea. A part of Guild Wars is to make builds. If something require balance, that's another story.

The italicized text was meant to be a joke, something you clearly didn't understand. Don't comment on things you clearly have no experience in.

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

Oh... interesting... a 'give me a title for what I like to do' title... hm...

No.

What?

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Originally Posted by Kook~NBK~

Gratz! you just called some of the most respected titles in the game "mindless work," and insulted some of the best players in the game.

The best/most respected players in the game know that the titles mean absolutely nothing and are, indeed, mindless work. Rank 12 in HA, regardless of how good you are, takes forever. Champion takes forever; it already takes forever to get a match during American times; getting a champion-point range match takes even longer.

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Originally Posted by Kronos Ledaloth

titles like champion are exclusives for some players so, if someone have that, ppl can say that him is a good player on gvg

In a perfect world, having a high (or rather even rank 1) champion would mean you're a good GvG player. Unfortunately, I've already addressed this case; there are many horrible GvG players that have this Champion rank which has caused its meaning to degenerate to nothing.

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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

Takes a second or two to kill NPCs. Takes notably longer on humans. Definitely more player combat than NPC.
So is RA, but that's considered PvP. And in AB you can also join up with guild members for a degree of control.

The thing I see, first of all, in Alliance Battles, is that the NPCs come back. Once you kill them, they're not "gone forever", like they are in GvG. Instead, you can wipe a shrine, and have the other team cap over it, and make more NPCs appear. In addition, shrine capping gives NPCs almost the same value as players: with each NPC you keep alive, you get +1 to your shrine capturing ability. Lastly, there are many NPCs, sadly, that have better bars and are more efficient than actual players. As a sidenote, RA isn't really considered PvP. I was referring more to TA.

In GvG, however, I do understand that there are more NPCs than there are players; however, at VoD, the players are extremely important. If an entire team is wiped at 20:01, the NPCs really don't matter since you can easily just pull and farm the NPCs in two minutes (or actually just kill the lord, but that's besides the point). You actually need people to back up your NPCs. In Alliance Battles, it's more just running around and killing NPCs, and engaging other players whenever you feel like you can win.

For the translation:

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Querido Baku, creo que el OP no considera 12 como PvP debido a la falta de comunicación entre los miembros del equipo y entre que muchos PvEros participan en el con builds PvEras. Yo hasta he llegado a ver Ursans en mi equipo.

Además, hay que tener en cuenta el título de 12 puede obtenerse haciendo HFFF, destruyendo todo significado PvPero.

Side note: Zomgtastic, I didn´t expect to write in Spanish on an Inter Forum.

Dear Baku, I think the OP doesn't consider 12v12 because of the lack of communication between the team members and that there are many PvErs that participate in AB with PvE builds. I've even had Ursans on my team. There's also a possibility to obtain the title with HFFF, which essentially destroys any PvP significance.

Kanyatta · Jul 08, 2008, 10:48 PM // 22:48

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Originally Posted by lutz

(you lose 1 point if you have more than 3 monks on your team during a match)

I lol'd hard. The only people who criticize this are whoru's with no experience and who really don't understand this.

Anyway, I like option #2 better than option #1, as Single Elimination wins cannot be bought/sold, but AT wins aren't that difficult if you know when to play.

For the countless people who are all "QQ AB is PvP bawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww". Honestly, yes it is Players playing against other Players, but in all honesty, if I can go in with a Mo/Rt with 8 rezzes on my bar and still win, it probably doesn't take any skill to play (yes, I did actually do that and won).

fireflyry · Jul 09, 2008, 05:42 AM // 05:42

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Originally Posted by lutz

Unfortunately, the main problem I see with Guild Wars Guru, now, is that whenever any post related to PvP is made, everyone without experience in the field decides to post their uninformed and incorrect opinion.

You posted on a public forum in a general suggestions section expecting responses purely from veterans?

lol

Get over it or go join an experienced PvP guild, jump on their forum and post the idea like any moderately serious PvPer would.

If you honestly didn't want such responses you either wouldn't post here, most experienced PvPers I know don't or certainly don't anymore, or your expectations were ridiculously high.

Your also stating everyone who has replied is inexperienced merely because they disagree with you.

Elite mentality much?

/not signed, my reasons have already been covered.

Oh and for the record AB is PvP, it's just predominately easy-access low-end PvP like RA hence why so many PvPers with "leet" mentalities incessantly flame it.

/end argument.

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Originally Posted by Kanyatta

I can go in with a Mo/Rt with 8 rezzes on my bar and still win, it probably doesn't take any skill to play (yes, I did actually do that and won).

I could take nothing but [frenzy] into a GvG and still win.All your saying is you were up against scrubs.

distilledwill · Jul 09, 2008, 09:19 AM // 09:19

/notsigned

Way to poop on tonnes of peoples concerted effort to gain titles. Saying that each of those titles don't matter is just elitist, I think thats actually quite offensive.

*lemming* · Jul 09, 2008, 09:29 AM // 09:29

Everyone who's in a pve guild trying to whoru Protoss should at least stop to take a look at his guild's latter performance before posting.

romeus petrus · Jul 09, 2008, 03:30 PM // 15:30

/notsigned

Last thing we need is more titles.

SmokingHotImolation · Jul 09, 2008, 04:06 PM // 16:06

So.. You want a title for the thing you do, and calls what you dont do mindless grind and unimportant. Interesting.

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Originally Posted by Guna

this tread should be closed.....

/signetforthat

nem coke · Jul 09, 2008, 04:50 PM // 16:50

First of all, I like your ideas lutz.
Second, @ Divine - you're right about the dAT title thing, but he's not suggesting to revert the time and then implement the title

(correct me if I'm wrong but I think he hoped to get more people in dATs this way , especially because american playtimes are dead :/ )
@ all the people who scream at other people who say AB is not PvP - I'm pretty sure the people #2 are just making sarcastic jokes . In a basic definition it IS PvP, in everything else, it's not.

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Originally Posted by fireflyry

Get over it or go join an experienced PvP guild, jump on their forum and post the idea like any moderately serious PvPer would.

- Did you read the description of Sardelac Sanitarium section? I doubt posting new ideas in some PvP guild's forum would make some difference.

I also agree with lutz's ''Don't post if you don't have expirience about it''. Doing that you're most likely to get the thread closed and it's all lost :/ . If some PvPer posts stuff like that in PvE section you call him a troll etc. Calling lutz an elitist for saying that is pretty sad >_>